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TENNIS REVEALS DISHONESTY OF FEMINIST BELIEFS

posted Saturday, 4 July 2009

By remaining silent on women's tennis -- where the women can get equal pay for unequal work -- feminists expose dishonesty about the gender wage gap.

By Jerry A. Boggs

Ideological feminists say they believe in the sexes' equal pay for equal work. If they truly believed this, they would, it seems to me, at least make a show of arguing that in major tennis tournaments, the female players should do one of two things:

Receive less prize money than the men because the women perform unequal work (they play only the best of three sets compared to the men’s best of five, receiving 100 percent of men's pay for just 66 percent of men's work).
Or play the same number of sets as the men do — perform equal work for their equal pay.

Instead, feminists say nothing about this gender inequality except to insist that female players have equal "entertainment value." When I unscientifically tested out the entertainment value among my friends, most of them, female friends included, said they prefer to watch tennis played by men, as they do with many other sports such as basketball, football, and baseball. Some suggested that most of the female tennis players' entertainment value is derived from the beauty/glamor power possessed by such players as the attractive Maria Sharapova. (Women's beauty power means that while most people may prefer to watch males in sports contests, they prefer to watch females in beauty contests.) The "entertainment value" may also stem from the belief of some people that women's tennis is more exciting because their performance expectations of female players is lower. When some of the women play as well as some of the men, it can seem more exciting, especially to the casual tennis viewer, because this level of female playing was not expected.  

By citing only the "entertainment value," ideological feminists reveal that they believe also in equal pay for unequal work. That's no different, really, from believing in unequal pay for equal work. While feminists claim to oppose working women's unequal pay for equal work, their less-than-serious attention to the sexes' tennis prize money endorses the concept of more work for equal pay for male tennis players. It also illustrates how these feminists, even as they complain that men undervalue women's work, can undervalue men's work.

"...[T]he women, who play three-set matches to the men's best-of-five encounters, make more money per game than the men, and at last year's tournament the top 10 women earned 4 per cent more prizemoney than the top 10 men, as they felt more able to play in the doubles and mixed doubles events, as well." -Tim Phillips, the chairman of the All England Club, according to Australia's The Age. He should have known better than to take on "the ladies," who have behind them the full force of feminists, the media, and just about everyone else. He should know that it's not a matter of equality or what's fair, but of what women believe they will get if they complain. 

By remaining mostly silent on the tennis-pay issue, feminists are also at odds with their belief that women are as capable of handling combat as men are. (Many women are indeed as capable. For the record, I believe the military should present a single standard for physical fitness tests, and send all who cut it to the combat front. If only one woman for every 20 men meets the physical qualifications, so be it; send her. The men will respect her instead of resent her for being in the military as member of a privileged class allowed in under a lowered standard and allowed to compete with the men on equal terms for higher rank while avoiding equal risk. See "Women, Too, Should Be in Combat.")

If feminists believe women can cope as well as men with the incredible rigor demanded by combat fighting, then they are forced to believe female tennis players can handle the far less rigor of tennis on a par with the male players, and that the women can play the best of five sets, just like the men. By failing to argue this position in the media as they do all their other equality issues, they open themselves up to yet another charge of stacking the deck for women, of wanting women to have their cake and eat it too, of creating gender double standards, of deliberately alienating the sexes….

If the men want equal work on the court, perhaps the best way to achieve it -- since they would never be allowed to play only the best of three (in major tournaments) -- is to proclaim loudly and often that women are not capable of playing five sets. Then they can sit back and watch as the women -- and feminists -- demand that women be allowed to play the best of five sets to prove the men wrong!

But then again, ideological feminists can be as deaf and unyielding as the men they have long blamed for obstructing progress for women. They seem unable even to hear such charges of unfairness, let alone respond to them.

Yet suppose the genders were reversed in the tennis pay issue. Suppose the male players received the same prize money for playing fewer sets than the women (imagine that!), and hence had enough energy left to play doubles and mixed doubles and earn even more prize money, as the women do now (as Venus and Serena Williams did at Wimbledon 2008). Feminists undoubtedly would regain their hearing in a millisecond and thunder their protests until the females either received more money or played fewer sets.

See — it’s easy, when you think about it, to flush out ideological feminists’ true mission: never mind equality; just demand what’s best for women. In tennis, demand that women get paid the same as the men for doing only 66 percent of the work.



 

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1. The Capt. left...
Saturday, 4 July 2009 4:10 pm

Hey Jerry! What I think you're missing in this piece, is the fact that you are basing your case on the fact that men are bigger, stronger with more stamina. We live in a market society. The women's game has never been based on strength and stamina on the same level as men, but interest factor. Women's tennis is as potent as men's when we talk about attendance. A lot of people aren't into the men's game - speed and stamina. Women's tennis is different from women's basketball. The audience is there! I've followed tennis most of my life, and I prefer women's tennis over the men's. So do a lot of people, and it's what the Williams sisters have brought to the game. The young women are coming in with the speed, strategy and power that Venus and Serena brought to the game. If they are getting the audience, women deserve to be paid as much as the men.


2. Tabacco left...
Saturday, 4 July 2009 6:56 pm :: http://tabacco.blog-city.com/

I'm glad you said it and not me!

I've pussyfooted around the disparity for 4 years. Thank you for your courage - I fell short on this topic.

With all due respects to The Capt., obviously he hasn't been watching Wimbledon and certainly didn't watch the Women's Final! That was not Moonball Aranxta out there today! John McEnroe never hit as hard! And neither did Brad Gilber, Ken Rosewall or Rod Laver!

But women can hit as hard as men, just not as often. http://tabacco.blog-ci ty.com/why_the_williams_sisters_venus__serena_dont_dominate_wom.htm

No, women can't hit a baseball as far as most men, but some men are singles hitters. And some fast-pitch women would have little problem with most men batters.

Today's female runners are better than yesterday's male runners, and the disparity is shrinking with each generation.

No, today's women cannot compete in the NFL except as kickers.

And most would have a tough time in the NBA and Pro Golf. But not every man plays in the NBA or on the men's Pro Golf tour.

I used to believe women should make less than men in tennis, but I was wrong! That's like saying women should not be paid while on maternity leave. Men should not be given maternity leave unless they actually give birth! Pretending everything is equal between the sexes is pure silliness!

I don't want women playing 3 out of 5 tennis sets either. Too much hard hitting is why the best ones retire early and the Williams sisters play less and keep playing while Hennin is gone. I would decrease the number of tournaments used to determine rankings for both sexes. But Capitalist greed will have none of it!

We have got to face the fact that there are differences between men and women, but a difference in pay is not the answer! Pro Tennis has it right the way it is.

Although your observations are extremely accurate, your solutions are simplistic, lack sufficient thought and would create more problems than they solve.

The Capt. has the right idea; he just played into your illogic instead of attacking the issue head-on and admitting the differences. Pretending that men = women in most sports is as ridiculous as denying women equal pay for "unequal" work.

Yes, their work is unequal! I admit it freely! I am not a CONSERVATIVE! But their pay must not be cut nor their "work" increased. Sometimes Valid Syllogisms lead to INVALID CONCLUSIONS! That happens when you rely on the "Rule Book" and decline to use original and/or politically incorrect thinking.

This is why I never wrote your article; I realized the pitfalls and the fallacies. But I appreciate your raising the subject. Somebody had to bring it up! Good Post!

Regards,

Tabacco


3. Jerry left...
Saturday, 4 July 2009 8:44 pm

Good comments. May I suggest this article that addresses the physical-strength differences between the sexes: "Should 'Men Are Stronger' Bar Women From Military Combat Roles?" http://tinyurl.com/6hw8oh

BTW, just as women are believed to be physically weaker than men -- a belief that burdens men -- they are also believed to be emotionally weaker, another belief that burdens men: See my commentary "Men Penalized At Work For Being Less Emotional Than Women" at http://tinyurl.com/dfexpk.

The drive in some men to protect women is stronger than the drive to protect themselves. That's chivalry, which fits nicely with much of ideological feminism's war on men. -Jerry, Male Matters author


4. The Capt. left...
Sunday, 5 July 2009 2:04 am

Tabacco, I watched the women's final at Wimbledon. Where you come up with these ideas that you know me better than I do is all in your brain - not in substance. The men's game is quicker, faster with fewer long rallies than the women. The female players train with men to up their game. But physically they are not the same. And telling a 25 year old that women hit harder than men did 30 or 40 years doesn't compensate for the fact that men STILL hit harder today.

Can you ever make a comment without putting words in someone's mouth or acting as though you know what they think? It would make for a far better discussion than the one going on in your mind, alone!


5. Jerry left...
Sunday, 5 July 2009 5:38 pm

From Jeffrey Asher, whose comment was inadvertently deleted earlier:

Jerry Boggs’ analysis is correct. But the physical abilities gap between men and women is even wider. For evidence on the intellectual gaps between the sexes, see: “Men, Women and Ability” on this web site: http://battlinbog.blog-city.com/men_women_and_ability.htm

According to, “Women in the Military - Flirting with Disaster” by Brian Mitchell (Regnery 1997 ISBN 0-89526-376-9):

“For many years, the party line in Washington was that all was well with women in the military, that with a few minor annoyances to be dispelled by the magic wand of policy, sexual integration was proceeding smoothly without degrading military readiness. Women were “an integral part” of the nation’s defense, and they can do the job “as well if not better” than their male colleagues.

Throughout the services, women are promoted with less time-in-service than men at every grade from corporal to commander. So much for the myth of equal opportunity. …

Women’s physical advantages are that they are less susceptible to altitude sickness, and show more tolerance to cold due to their extra body fat. However, this is not true for the most fit of women, who hold low body fat like men. But by all other measures, men have enormous advantages physically and emotionally.

The average female army recruit is 4.8 inches shorter, 31.7 pounds lighter, has 37.4 less pounds of muscle, and 5.7 more pounds of fat than the average male recruit. She has only 55% of the upper body strength and 72% of the lower body strength of the average male.

She is also at a significant disadvantage when performing aerobic activities such as marching with heavy loads and working in the heat, since fat mass is inversely related to aerobic capacity and heat tolerance.

Her lighter frame makes her more likely to suffer injuries due to physical exertion.

An Army study of 124 men and 186 women in 1988 found that women are more likely to suffer leg injuries and nearly five times as likely to suffer fractures as men.

Women, are consequently, less available for duty.

Biology and evolution impose significant gaps between the physical capacities of men and women. Studies completed at West Point in 1980 showed even wider gaps, in addition to women showing 69 % of the gripping strength of men. …

Female missile mechanics often lacked the strength and physical confidence to harness and move warheads and to maneuver large pieces of machinery. Some had trouble carrying their own tool boxes.

All of the services have double standards for men and women on all the events of their regular physical fitness tests. …

… the lack of physical strength among female sailors can only decrease the survivability of Navy vessels,” … putting more and more women aboard ship makes little sense, unless the Navy doesn’t mind sacrificing survivability and the lives of its sailors for the sake of advancing opportunities for women.”

Though many military women deny or downplay the effects of premenstrual syndrome (PMS) on the behaviour of women, medical experts estimate that 5% - 10% of all pre-menopausal women experience severe PMS-related symptoms, including incapacitating depression, suicidal thoughts, extreme mood swings, self-abuse, and violence. “These are women who suffer chronic, debilitating distress – women who are often unable to take care of themselves or their families.” … Only about 10% of all pre-menopausal women experience no symptoms of PMS. …

The medical non-availability rate for women is consistently 2 – 2.5 times the rate for men.

Many fundamental behavioural differences between men and women are firmly rooted in biology. Many feminists of course reject the possibility that sex differences are biologically based and therefore beyond the reach of social reform. Fundamental biological sex differences rebut feminist claims of ‘gender’ equality. …

Many military jobs require quickness and daring… women lack the killer instinct.”


6. The Capt. left...
Sunday, 5 July 2009 6:53 pm

Jerry, we all know the differences, but what did that information have to do with whether female players should get paid as much as the men? Women's tennis get as much attention as the men's - in some instances even more so (through media)!


7. Wobs left...
Monday, 6 July 2009 4:31 am

If we gauge the prize money on the work they do then women should get less. If we gauge the prize money on the earning opportunity of men and women, then women should get less as they have more opportunity to win more prize moeny in the doubles (and on average do). If we gauge the prize money on the potential revenue that the match brings in, then women should get much less, as far more watch the men's. If we gauge the prize money on the entertainment that it brings to the masses, then we can see that again, this should be less for women, as fewer people watch it. Surely the only fair way of gauging who gives the most entertainment in sports.

There were of course even empty seats for the women's semi's at centre court, which certainly brings into question the idea that women's tennis is more entertaining. Just because someone finds it more entertaining, does not mean that it is more entertaining.

The truth is that even before the equal prize money, the men were subsidising the women's money pot, as the difference was only 5%, and the average difference in viewing figures were about 20%. And, as has been mentioned, women earned more on average by being able to play doubles as well.

So much for equal opportunity.


8. The Capt. left...
Monday, 6 July 2009 5:26 am

Wog, audience is determining factor for players wages - the number of people watching (in the stands, tv), marketing, advertising, talent. Every men's match is NOT standing room only. When a sport is not supported by an audience, the sports trickles off with smaller salaries, because the audience is not supporting the sport - like women's basketball. Wog, to say that the men's game is subsidizing women's tennis indicates you aren't aware of how much money is in the game.

Wrestling has an audience, and the players get paid well because of that audience even though wrestling isn't considered a REAL sport by most folks. Soccer in the U.S. doesn't pay the players as much as wrestling even though it's considered more of a competitive sport than wrestling. Why? Little audience. If the market ain't there, you don't get paid!


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